It turns out that one of the reasons Donald Trump is slightly behind on his transition efforts as president-elect might in part be because he didn’t know what to plan for.

According to the Wall Street Journal, when Trump met with President Barack Obama last week, he seemed to be genuinely surprised by the wide range of responsibilities the presidency entailed. People “familiar with the meeting” added that his aides also appeared to be “unaware that the entire presidential staff working in the West Wing had to be replaced at the end of Mr. Obama’s term.” (His top advisers countered that he didn’t want to “jinx himself” by planning ahead.)

While the meeting was originally only supposed to be for 15 minutes, President Obama ended up sitting with Trump for closer to 90 minutes — and quickly realized the president-elect might need “more guidance” than he originally anticipated. As a result, the president now plans to spend extra time with his successor in order to ensure a smooth transition and to make sure Trump is as prepared as possible, given that he has no political experience whatsoever.

“This office has a way of waking you up,” Obama said during a press conference Monday, according to Reuters. “Those aspects of [Trump’s] positions or predispositions that don’t match up with reality, he will find shaken up pretty quick because reality has a way of asserting itself.”

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